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Hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newtonhola play

Produced by Whitney Jones and Rachel Cohn

Edited by Rachel Dry

Engineered by Chris Wood

Original music by Dan PowellElisheba IttoopMarion Lozano and Rowan Niemisto

Last month, Chief Judge Albert Diaz of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, in Richmond, Va., writing for six judges, said that approach had created “a labyrinth for lower courts, including our own, with only the one-dimensional history-and-tradition test as a compass.”

The polls of these three states, taken from Sept. 17 to 21, presented further evidence that in a sharply divided nation, the presidential contest is shaping up to be one of the tightest in history.

This week, we’re joined by the Times reporter Jonathan Swan to discuss Elon Musk’s tech takeover of Washington,jl7 D.C. Then, Liz Pelly, author of a new book about Spotify, stops by to discuss “ghost musicians” and how Spotify’s algorithms are reshaping music culture. And finally — it’s Tool Time! We’ll tell you all about the new A.I. tools we’re using, plus the one that we wish existed.

Guests:

Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times

Liz Pelly, author of “Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist”

Additional Reading:

Inside Musk’s Aggressive Incursion Into the Federal Government

The Ghosts in the Machine

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ImageCredit...Photo Illustration by The New York Times; Photo: Pool photo by Chip SomodevillaCredits

“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Whitney Jones and Rachel Cohn. This episode was edited by Rachel Dry and fact-checked by Ena Alvarado. Our executive producer is Jen Poyant. Engineering by Chris Wood, with original music by Dan Powell, Elisheba Ittoop, Marion Lozano and Rowan Niemisto.

Special thanks to Paula Szuchmanhola play, Pui-Wing Tam, Dahlia Haddad and Jeffrey Miranda.